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btw. you think gashyr's similar topic is a coinsiadnce?

rofl this is just as bad as gash's quits. it's a shame you couldn't hold on to what little dignity you had left

you are right, grandpa spin is getting old and its now time for him to fuck off and rot in a coffin.

for the record, you are very welcome. if you'd ever like me to hold up a mirror for you so you can see for yourself the worthless dog turd you've become, be sure to come back to op tma. i'll kick you and ban you a few times and you'll return like the well-trained puppet you are. maybe you can suck tjan0's cheating dick while you are at it and you can cum on each other's faces and cover each other's eyes. at least then you can both be oblivious to the world around you and live out your final days as senile old men lost but happy

This isn't like gash's quits--which I'm sure you'll remember you and other euro members were there for.

Gash quits because he gets overoffended by friendly banter and starts a gigantic amount of drama. This has to do more with the rules of TMA and the way we view the game

Very mature post falco, I've returned to the channel to finish the talk, but you just kept banning me like you we're trying to show something. The only thing you proved is that you're somekind of a lost kid, so I won't bother myself talking to you anymore, since it makes no sense. You just simply don't get it.

I respect Tjan0, and think he is very decent player. I played with him many times and I will never believe he hacked. It's like you told me Venom was hacking. This is one of the old tma-team player, and it's very gay of you that you accuse him. When I wanted an evidence - obviously you have thousands but not recorded. I don't want to be the judge, but the way you treated me for winning, I can imagine how you treat others. I'm done with this. Please learn how to lose and don't ban ppl just cuz you lost to them.

We did all kind of techniques and strategies on Op TMA Euro, now everything we used to do is called "unit leaving" or "cheating". Where is this heading to? Suddenly I can't even protect my hero cuz I'm an unit leaver then. I should just leave my mouse and let you win, this seems the only fair way for you.

You're all missing the point. You guys learned everything from us and now you're trying to teach us how to play properly. I mean, WTF.

If you insist on me being more mature, I will humour you. At first I didn't want to do this because I knew it would destroy what little dignity you have left. Methodically destroying your shit logic won't even be difficult.

The whole ordeal began today when you refused to believe Tjan0 hacked and unit left on purpose. Frankly, he has done so consistently for the past few months. When you stopped playing TMA without a word and vanished, the only regulars left were Jules, Pack, Ego, and I. We continued playing TMA and eventually we invited some pubs into op tma and taught them how to play. Of course we ran the show and taught them the rules, what was fair and what was unfair. Who else was there? In the world of TMA, our word became law, but it's not as if we went overboard. We had simple rules that EVERYONE followed, including us.

A lot of time has passed since you left, and in that time, many things have happened. One of them was the increasing blatancy and flagrancy of the hacking of Tjan0. At first we weren't sure, but as we played more with Tjan0, we realized a lot of the things he did pointed towards hacking.

Have you never wondered about Tjan0's famous 15K Kerrigan? The speed with which he would ensnare opponent observers? And not only just the observers that spawn at the enemy spawn, but the observer you slowly and carefully send from your own base, that no matter how carefully you bring it near his Kerrigan will always get ensnared?

Have you never wondered about Tjan0's Toms? The way in which he maneuvers around the observers around the map with 100% precision? The way he always knows where your observers are and where your heroes are and where your Dark Archon is? The way in which he never uses his Tom to scout because he already has vision of the entire map?

Have you never wondered about Tjan0's Arbiter? Not just the way he unit leaves one zealot of course (but that's not really unit leaving is it, it's just protecting your Arbiter. There should be no sympathy, after all), but the way in which his Arbiters traverse and cross across the map despite countless Goliaths and Wraiths hunting for it? The way in which his Arbiter always turns back when your wraiths have guessed the correct side even before you see his Arbiter and he can see you through normal means?

Have you never wondered about Tjan0's wraiths? The frequency with which he chooses them, as if he knows where the enemy heroes are? The way he sends the wraiths off in a straight line, always arriving at the correct destination? The way in which he always knows which side to send the wraiths to hunt a Queen, a Yggdrasil, or an Arbiter, even when you yourself are on his team and don't know which side the enemy hero is on?

And what about the many times when you haven't been on, when there is another pub who is observing the game? How they too have noticed that Tjan0's actions are suspicious each and every game? And this occurs in games where he loses anyways, since we win the vast majority of our games anyways! We don't hate on Tjan0 because we lose to him - because we almost always beat him despite his attempts to unit leave - we hate on him because he hacks.

You speak of the need for proof and evidence, but in our eyes, our proof lies in our months of playing with Tjan0, our countless games in which he has done questionable things. On their own, Tjan0's little actions can only inspire suspicion in our minds, but such consistency and decision making over such a long period of time can only become overwhelming evidence of cheating. It is highly improbable that Tjan0 can do all that I have described above with his putrid 20 APM.

And so you stroll in, after having vanished, saying you'd like to come back and "play with us." We tell you that Tjan0 hacks and you refuse to believe it. And based on what? Based on absolutely nothing, since you haven't even been on battle.net for months! And unless you SAY THAT YOU HAVE BEEN ON battle.net, and THAT YOU HAVE BEEN PLAYING with Tjan0, there is no weight behind your words, and they mean nothing.

"I respect Tjan0, and think he is very decent player. I played with him many times and I will never believe he hacked ... This is one of the old tma-team player, and it's very gay of you that you accuse him."

That quote shows your reasoning behind believing that Tjan0 doesn't hack... and what awful reasoning it is. Perhaps you don't know, but things can change. Just because Tjan0 didn't hack before doesn't mean he doesn't hack now. And you have no evidence behind your reasoning, since you haven't even logged on to battle.net for months! The fact that you refuse to trust in the combined opinion of Jules, Pack, Ego and I is insulting, and also shows to us that you have little respect for our opinion. Why should we give you any respect then? Because eons ago, you used to be good at this game and didn't cheat like a pig?

Your refusal to believe that Tjan0 hacks stems from a propensity in your thought system to put the past on a pedestal. This much is evident from your comments on Europe in the past being downright Utopian. You are putting too much weight on events that have occurred in the past and you are not giving nearly enough credit to the present or the future. The fact that we first learned some of the basic gameplay of TMA from a few of you guys years ago means little now. A perfect example of this is Poland. No one gives a fuck about Poland now. It used to be a strong country but then Germany buttfucked it up the ass and slaughtered half of the population, and Poland has been dicked ever since. Just recently half of it's government burned up in a plane crash. No one gives a fuck about Poland, and no one gives a fuck that you used to be good at TMA, since you suck at it now.

And so the way you came in, strolling in today and outright rejecting our claims that Tjan0 hacked was not only idiotic, but also insulting. And from that moment on it was obvious that there was no need to respect you, since you were so deluded in your thinking and so focused on the past.

But one of the greatest things about today was that it was not all about hacking, but also about unit leaving. Tjan0's constant unit leaving, combined with his cocky insistence that it was perfectly acceptable and normal caused all of us to start disliking him. And that you would pop out of nowhere and defend such a fuckface was not only extremely surprising, but caused us to have lose a lot of respect for you.

One of the most disappointing things that happened today was your lack of class in unit leaving. Sucking at TMA is not a big deal, and perhaps even expected given your lack of TMA playing ;) these past few months. But sucking at TMA is a poor excuse for engaging in unit leaving. That was the most surprising thing today - that you had to resort to cheating. The way in which you left my partner's three zealots that were knocking at your nexus with your two reavers to hunt my Dark Archon on the left ledge, the way you ran countless vultures and goliaths past both of our units to hunt my Dark Archon at our base, the way in which you constantly chose mass cracklings knowing that the attack move would bring a few of them past our units to attack my Dark archon, tiptoeing the line of what is fair and unfair. And last but not least, the way in which you didn't attack our units as your wraiths ran past our units while your Zeratul slowly attacked our Nexus.

Not attacking our units is not a "technique," but unit leaving. While your wraiths were NOT killing our units and RUNNING PAST OUR UNITS, your Zeratul was simply attacking our nexus. To wait for Tjan0 to deal with our units is ridiculous, since he is also a unit leaver and would rather not choose units than to kill our units.

Your futile claims that this was acceptable in the old TMA Europe (which I highly doubt in the first place since I doubt running wraiths past our units and not attacking is mannered) matters little in the context of today. Your claim that "we learned everything from you" is also downright laughable. Why does that even matter, since you have reneged on what you taught us and are now cheating instead!?

And even IF TMA has changed, this is only to be expected after five years! You seem to be downright allergic to change and are much too focused on the past. Unfortunately for you, change will always happen. The changes made may even be bad sometimes, but change will always happen. And it appears that this time for you, something has changed too much. But in this case, it's not the game of TMA that has changed, but you who has changed.

In many ways, the way you described yourself was correct.

"Grandpa Spin."

Believe it or not, you are the one that has changed. You have become horrible at TMA, and can only rely on unit leaving and cheating to win. Just like an old man, you have become bitter and delusional. Your times of youth and glory have come and gone, and it's time for you to admit you aren't up for it anymore, admit that you might not be right anymore, admit that you can't contribute anything of worth anymore.

It's time for you to find a retirement home - because you have become absolutely, completely, and unquestionably useless.

Oh wow, what a ton of crap. I just wasted several minutes of my life reading this. You want me to believe in your words about hacking/unit leaving? I just played with you and the conclusion of the game is that now both tjan0 and I are unit leavers. Countless times ppl (including you) left my units, and I haven't said a word. Things like that just happen.

"the way you ran countless vultures and goliaths past both of our units to hunt my Dark Archon at our base" and this is what i'm talking about. You're so great at detecting hacks and cheats that you didn't even realize it wasn't me. The action was perfecly normal. We see hero, we chase it. I kill your units, tjan0 hunts hero. It's what we always used to do, not to let fuck ups like you stack hero units. This is team work, but for you it's all cheating.

Also, I haven't changed at all and been always good manner to everyone. I just hate to see players being ditched like this. I don't know whether tjan0 ever used hack or not, but the evidence "believe me, we played with him many times while you were gone" is absolutely worthless. All the talk 'he knows strange things' reminds me of myself playing euro some time ago. Back then ppl thought I was hacking.

All in all, you don't need to agree or even respect me but don't throw me bullshit about dignity when I stand for people. I've heard that many players got constantly banned/kicked from Op TMA just cuz of your sick new policy of hacking and unit leaving. I think someone just fell on his head here, just cuz you have access to bot doesn't make you any better than others. Who are you to judge players like that?

So now you ban and insult me too. Seriously, shove your insults up your ass kid. Any critique from a tma jester that you are means nothing to me. I don't care what you think of me and my tma level, I'd still kick the shit out of you even if I had no game in years.

This is sure fun. i hack because i see shit you do not se Falco. im just a better player then you, thats why you people hate me, i se something you think is impossible for me to see, and then boom, Tjan0 hack.
Just admit, when you say i hack its just to get other players to hate me. nothing els.
if i hacked there will be some prove but not one of you retards have that. soo shut

SKILS=HACK right falco.

show all the hack from Tjan0. will be soo fun when you see you are wrong.
then all can see what a fucking joke you are.

and Falco plz say something about my bad english, if you cant find something mature to post.

The greatest thing about your short response is that you are largely unable to compete on the points I have made. Instead, you have nitpicked and tried to attack certain aspects of my argument, which don't even make that big of a difference on my overall argument.

Nonetheless, I will respond and show you how literally every point you make is wrong and/or logically inconsistent with what you have said before.

"Countless times ppl (including you) left my units, and I haven't said a word. Things like that just happen."

On who's word? Yours? Please, your word has been shown to be completely useless already. I think you are just mad now.

"The action was perfecly normal. We see hero, we chase it. I kill your units, tjan0 hunts hero. It's what we always used to do, not to let fuck ups like you stack hero units. This is team work, but for you it's all cheating."

Guess what, Tjan0 hunted and killed my hero before you killed my units. This is not teamwork, but unit leaving. Very simple idea, no?

True teamwork would be Tjan0 spawning units to kill our units first, before you go and run at our heroes.

I also love how you only choose one of my example of your unit leaving since you know you can't run wraiths past our units. AND THIS IS ONLY ONE GAME!

"I just played with you and the conclusion of the game is that now both tjan0 and I are unit leavers."

And yes, it appears my conclusion was correct. What's your point?

"You want me to believe in your words about hacking/unit leaving?"

Yes, since everything I have stated has been true.

"I don't know whether tjan0 ever used hack or not, but the evidence "believe me, we played with him many times while you were gone" is absolutely worthless.""

Actually, it is perfectly fine evidence. The amount of circumstantial evidence I have provided is enough for anyone without bias to make the appropriate inference. It is quite clear that you are simply angered by what happened yesterday and are still blinded by your anger to see what's obvious.

"All the talk 'he knows strange things' reminds me of myself playing euro some time ago. Back then ppl thought I was hacking."

The only difference is that Tjan0 guesses correct 100% of the time. I doubt you did. As well, the amount of skill and speed required to know where all the units are on the map at any given time with the 100% accuracy Tjan0 has shown would not come from someone who is slow, dim-witted and sporting an average of 40APM.

"I've heard that many players got constantly banned/kicked from Op TMA just cuz of your sick new policy of hacking and unit leaving."

First things first, "you've heard?" From who? Based on your own terrible logic from before on not believing our claims that Tjan0 hacks, I thought such evidence could not be used since you weren't there? There is no consistency in your logic - you can't have your cake and eat it too. Unless you have actually been on and so based on your own experience you have seen people constantly banned/kicked from op TMA (Tjan0 doesn't count since he is a hacker!)?

Secondly, there is no "sick new policy of hacking and unit leaving," unless you think we should allow hackers to continue playing TMA? We follow the unit leaving rules too, mind you. It's not as if we are above the law.

"I think someone just fell on his head here, just cuz you have access to bot doesn't make you any better than others. Who are you to judge players like that? "

I have had access to the bot for all of two weeks. Believe it or not, I was still actually better than others in everything. I'm that amazing.

"Seriously, shove your insults up your ass kid. Any critique from a tma jester that you are means nothing to me."

Yay. No hard feelings?

"I don't care what you think of me and my tma level, I'd still kick the shit out of you even if I had no game in years."

You can do so while unit-leaving and teaming with a hacker. Have fun and congratulations!

Sorry Tjan0, I didn't quite catch the meaning of what you said? Do you mind repeating what you said, in English this time?

Much love,
Falco

love when you say i hack. i see you know all about my skils in tma games, you must have spend soo mutch time on watching how i play...
falco you are retard and will never learn my skils, thats why you need to call me a HACKER.
Falco you are a sad person whit no life. sad falco just sad

Abundance of invective.

Scarcity of evidence.

Ad hominem predates H. habilis.

Falco, allow me to point out that you have no solid evidence on your claim that Tjan0 is a hacker, only suspicions: as you have stated yourself. This can only mean that your group's overinflated ego prevents you all from considering anyone else's point of view. One word sums up this paragraph: Vanity.

Now, before I waste any more time trying to persuade a group of losers to stop being losers, I will log out of this website after clicking the "Post Comment" button.

Rofl. The only "solid evidence" of someone hacking I could get would be to travel a thousand miles and find the decrepit shack in an impoverished and remote village that Tjan0 calls home, go on his computer and find the folder that contains his 10 different hacks that he chooses depending on his mood that day.

The funny thing is that you are the one who is not fairly considering the views of other people. You, who have been emotionally damaged and scarred by life by us, feel resentment and thus, knowingly or unknowingly, choose to harbor adverse feelings against us. Add on to the fact that we are arguing with Spin, who's continually diminishing penis you mentally stroke until ejaculation on a regular basis, and you have the ingredients for someone who is unable to hold an objective viewpoint.

The mountains of circumstantial evidence I have provided in this thread is good enough for this situation to show the very high possibility that Tjan0 is a hacker. And it's not like any of you have come up and said that, "Hmm, this is pretty convincing evidence that I simply cannot believe because there is no solid, absolute proof given." It's more like, "I'm a petty child who is angry at the people making the argument and so I ignore the presented logic and argument and simply choose to be ignorant of the facts. As such I shall make no reference to it and simply arbitrarily ignore it."

If this was too difficult to understand for you, allow me it to bring it back to terms that you might understand and give you an example.

Suppose a person you have met for a month does some pretty faggot things.

One month in, there are suspicions that one person is a "true faggot."

Over the course of a year or so, said person continually commits actions that can be described as "faggoty," or commits actions that only a true faggot would do.

Is said person a true faggot? We can only ever have suspicions that said person is a true faggot. To unequivocally prove that it is true would be impossible short of actually physically meeting the person. Nonetheless, the year's worth of data that fills out the 500 page book of observations on actions of faggotry hold substantial weight; the suspicions of said person being a "true faggot," over time, have slowly begun changing from improbability into something more like fact.

Eventually it must be accepted that the person is indeed a fucking faggot. Eventually you have to accept that we are always right. Eventually you have to realize that Tjan0 is a hacker.

Falco I just skipped to the end and Laughed when I read that eventually I would have to realize you are always right. Hahaha not likely. You spend like 20 minutes per post whereas I don't read them because I know from past experiences that your posts are complete garbage and I need not waste more than 30 seconds on you. :) Seems the mockingbird has sung its last song Falco.

omg drama spin come play sc2 with me

Wow just by reading this post i know that TMA is done for.... And stfu falco you know nothing of anything... im tired of these pubbies coming in to TMA like they are the shit... i was the only one who could do that loolz. Venom do something leader

cool story bro, I was better leader than u tho

Seriously?
Btw, i wanna play another round of TMA as well-
but whenever I'm online, some wannabe "TMA" guys think I'm not good enough, maybe I'm not, but i just wanna play!
Also- spin was legend, how dare you guys, speaking directly into his face?
I didn't read all of it, because I got bored where falco wrote like 10 paragraphs, and insulted a little- but I'm on spin's side.
Actually I'm on nobodies side, so plz just go online, and play?
And ye, I'm a little more on spin's side-

shtup faggot tung you are suck ass leader you will always be nothing but my sidekick/support HAHAHAH i made team du ma mai live